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As the learning centre works with children from poor families the centre has found a feeding program necessary to draw attention of these children to school.Many of these children have no food in their homes making it hard for them to carry on with learning on empty stomachs.This has discouraged some of them to go on to fend food rather than keeping at school.

Although a feeding program is one of the expensive exercise to manage but we can think of the best way to sustain it.The local representative has found it good if a maize grinding mill can be purchased by neighbours and it can serve the purpose of grinding maize locally for the school and serving the area residents who will come to grind their maize on payment.Since maize flour is the staple food in Kenya this can be an income generating activity which can sustain the feeding program and save neighbours from such a recurring exercise.This can demand Kshs 200,000 and it can serve the feeding program very well

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Hi neighbours,
The school has now resumed its learning after the first term holidays.The number of children is increasing at an alarming rate. with the little help of food from donation centres found locally in our town we have been able to sustain the feeding program.However due to political instability that faced our nation early last year we are running short of food at the moment even from our local donars.
The type of children we are helping come from a totaly poor homes and food has been one of the attractive factors towards our centre.Our fear is that as they come and find no food prvided, they are going to draw back to the streets to fend food for the selves.
We therefore come to the aid of neighbours to intervene to save the stuition at hand.As said ealier this being a reccurent expense it will be of help if a once and for all solution can be sort.
We will be happy to hear from you in the shortest time possible.
Thanks alot
Richard.

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Hi Maria and everyone,
Early this year when trying to consider ways of starting an income generating activity that could assist in the school feeding program, we considered going into maize farming but we realized that we were time short as already the season for maize farming had far gone and securing land for rent was a bit difficult.
In this regard, I have thought it wise to bring this discussion on line now as the maize farming activities in Kenya start off immediately after this year's harvest which is taking place now.From now up to mid December, land for hire is available since preparations have to start from early next year immediately the first rains fall.I have considered this as a good income generating activity and I have seen several schools with a feeding program venturing in it and have found it a cheap and sustainable means of providing food to the children under their care.We hope that if we secure a grant for a maize mill, then all will have to do well because it will save us from buying maize.Can we give it a considerable discussion?
Best wishes,
Richard.

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Hi Richard and everyone,
As you say Richard this is the time to discuss the maize options.
We have looked at the Posho mill project in detail and are continuing to search ways to raise money for purchasing a mill.
A couple of questions about the maize growing;
You say other schools have found hiring land and growing maize a cheap and sustainable means of providing food for the children. Could you tell us more of how this works?
In particular;
Do you have any figures from another school of how well it works?
What is the initial outlay in terms of land rental, seed purchase etc?
Where is the land? Nearby?
In our case who will do the labour?
Is all the maize grown fed to the children or is a proportion sold?
This information will help us understand how this income generating activity may work.
Cheers Shaun

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Hi Shaun/Carol and everyone,
Thanks alot Shaun for giving this discussion a positive consideration.Basing on your questions, I have carried out the following research from an organization that has engaged in this activity for the last three years. This should be the input with the current prices although changes in prices tend to be their
1.Cost of hiring land kshs : 3000
2.first ploughing kshs : 1500
3.second ploughing kshs : 1000
4.Cost of seeds kshs : 3000
5.first labour cost kshs : 2000
6cost of fertilizers kshs : 6000
7Cost of top dressing kshs : 3000
8Weeding cost kshs : 4000
9Harvesting cost kshs : 2000
10.Care taker kshs : 5000
Total cost kshs : 30,500

However this cost can be spread over a period up to June, that is when the last cost can be met.The earliest cost should ofcourse be that of hiring land which ought to be met before December and especially if we want to get the best land.As regards labour, I hve to make several trips to the farming site especially in the begginning of the work myself becauseI have been told not to rely so much on other people because they may do a substandard work which may doom the yield.Much super vision will be done by myself since I can make the travels.We shall however need a care taker.The maize growing areas are on the slopes of Mount Elgon which is again near my home area,so finding land for hire is not a problem.
With the question of use of maize,It is good that we make this activty self-sustaible if we want to capitalize on it in the future years as my friend is doing now,This will do well if we start with more than one hectare of land.the harvest from one hectare is expected to be between 20 to 30 sacks of 90 KGs.We can feed the children with maize from 1 hectare, while we sell off the rest.The profit from one hectare is said to be aminimum of 20,000Kshs.From this we can decide what to do with the profits.Like my friend,they have decided to feed the children with aportion of maize while the rest is sold and to buy their own land so that they don;t keep on requesting for funds from their donors and already they have purchased five hectare of land from this enterprise.
I hope with this remarks you can capture the picture on this business.You can ask any other question that need clarification.See what this organization is doing from their bronchure
Thanks all,
Richard.

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Hi Richard,

Thanks for this information and for continuing the discussion we started some time ago. It seems that this projects needs some investment, and first of all a mill to be secured. But did you think about forming a kind of cooperative with other schools whose people you know and that are in the neighborhood? Is this something people do - like for example having one care-taker for the field and sharing the harvest? This might eventually save some labour, transport and storage costs.

best wishes,
Maria

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Hi Maria,
Thanks to hear from you.Forming a cooperative is a good idea but it has to take time finding who has such an interest and terms of agreement and all the like.One that I know is the one Whose brochure I posted but they operate independently since they have their own foundation in USA and they cannot involve any other organization.The possibility I see is to know how much can be raised from any available channel and what can be the shortage so that I find a solution from this end.As I said we don't need all this money at once but can be it can be spread over a period within which the farming activity will take place,starting with hiring land on like that.If we find a good land owner we can entrust him/her with care taking thereby curtailing the cost.I should also say that the mill may not have been secured but still the farming activity can go on because we are looking at the season.By the time we go for harvesting we might have got a mill since harvesting takes place next year in September or October.I am trying to find out the possibility of working with my cousin who is a potential maize farmer and whose farming equipments I can use because he owns all.I can be left with paying for labour cost only.Evaluate over this explanation and if you have any other question or suggestion, come back again,
Best wishes,
Richard,

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Richard - are there farmers there who have land that they do NOT use? And you can offer to work the land and give him a percent of the maize in exchange for him not billing you for the rent of the land? then borrow your cousin's equipment - I don't know if you have ever studied the 'no till' farming that we have put on almost every village site - it is necessary NOT to plow the land up, thereby losing all it's nutrition, and allowing erosion to occur when the monsoons come. Your main cost is the seed - and your cousin should be able to give you that info- OH! and whatever is on the land now - let the goats feed on it - or cut it down and dry it for the goats later - Best of luck!

--
Ginger :)

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Hi Ginger,
I know I can make use of my cousin's equipments to facilitate the farming activities and that can cut down the cost.I can also get storage from his home and even care from his workers but land must be rented.Land is scarce in this region because it is the only region that grows maize in the whole country.That is why we have to find money for renting it much earlier before December.
Best Wishes,
Richard

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But, what will be the charge to you to rent the land??? And is it at all possible to pay After you have raised and sold the crop? How long does it take to grow - and how many hectares - at what cost will you need? I think you will need to make a projection - a chart of how much corn you can raise from one hectare - how many it will feed - and then can the second hectare be sold for money to rent 3 hectares the following season? Are there 2 growing seasons? the trick is to continue to grow the farm - not stay the same - that is why I am asking if you can make enough money from the second hectare to pay for the next rent of THREE hectares? or at least 2 1/2. Let us continue to talk about this, and learn from others locally. I forget, how many children do you wish to feed? Can we charge maybe one penny for something small like that for those who can afford to pay - and the others might contribute their labor. I think it is very important for the community to participate in whatever small way they can.What kind of watering system do you have???? And, can you buy pots to grow tomatoes in? In Jinja, the widows are starting to grow tomatoes - first, the seed in small plastic cups, and when the plant is maybe 4-6 inches tall, it can be put in a larger pot. Growing in pots uses up Much Less water, and the widows can do it year round - thereby having tomatoes to sell when no one else has them - at a good profit! Let me know what you think of this. Also, there are other plants you can grow in pots - peppers and spices for example.
WOW!!! the KES in my converter says you need $2,500 USD - that is a sum that is quite impossible to raise. I couldn't tell how many hectares that would be, but I have to tell you it is an impossible project.
Goat money is going out tomorrow -= you can pick it up on your Monday-

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Hi Virginia,
Let me work on the cost of two hectares and come back to you with the total figure.On my way to puchasing goats, I will pass my cousin's home and we work out the cost for the two hectares.I will know what I can get free from his equipments and what can be paid for.From here I am going to see how many children can remain on the school feeding program and which ones can pay.We want to narrow down the number of those on the feeding program so that we can do some savings for the long term goals we have.However if we get sponsors who can pay for their feeding then we shall have those with sponsors on the school feeding program.
Onions and tomatoes are a good business.We can have a discussion om them also.With maize growing they go for only one season in western Kenya but we have to use the land for water melon,beans or sunflower when the maize aproaches the harvest.So we have to use the land maximamly to get the best out of it.
Let me give you the cost analysis shortly after coming back from the rural area.Thanks for the goats money.
Best wishes
Richard.

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Hi everyone,
Some good discussion on maize growing. Maria with suggestion for Cooperative and Ginger looking at various options. Ginger's initiative with the goats sounds interesting and deserves every success; Richard please keep us updated with the progress of this venture.

I have been looking at the figures Richard supplied and cannot see where Ginger's converter came up with US$ 2,500! I make the costs of Ksh 39,500 to be US $488 (exchange rate of $1=81Ksh). Ginger correct me if I am wrong...

Looking back to the mill project if last years prices (millers buying) were 2,650 Ksh for 90Kgs sack maize then;
If one hectare produces 20 sacks the profit will be 53,000 less 39,500 = Ksh 13,500 ($167).
If one hectare produces 30 sacks the profit will be 79,500 less 39,500 = Ksh 40,000 ($494)
So the potential is for a return of between 34% to 100% on initial outlay. This looks good on paper but from what you say Richard, I feel it will need the help of your cousin. Two hectares (nearly five acres for us non- metric oldies !) is quite a large area of land to work on. Making the best use of it with melons, beans and sunflower will be further labour intensive; you will have no time for teaching!
Having said that, It must be worth a try if you think you can organise it.
I look forward to your assessment.
Cheers Shaun

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Hi Shaun and every one
Great to hear from you shaun.Over the last four days I was out of Nairobi to the rural to purchase the goats.I managed to buy three goats as instructed by Ginger.On my way I managed to pass by cousin's home and we discussed the help I can get from him.He promised me that I should pay for fuel and labour.The land has also to be hired and the rest of the farm inputs we have to purchase them ourselves.We can use his storage facilities but we have to buy storage sacks.To correct Shaun, the last figure I reached at was Kshs 31,500 not 39,500.Prices also tend to fluctuate with demand and supply of maize in the market.
Looking at the offer from my cousin's side then we can slash the figure.The great advantage we shall get is that of the care taker because we shall make use of his care takers.This is likely to reduce the cost by Kshs 6000 thereby having Kshs 24,000 or so.To make this clear, what I should mean is acres not hectares, so I believe 2 acres for a start can be managable.A very argent need is that of hiring land before December, then followed by first and second ploughing which are likely to come in mid February.Let me come with the exact cost shortly.
We can leave the rest but we can inter crop maize with maize as that is common with many farmers although it involves a high cost on weeding.
That is all for now,
Richard.

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Hi Ginger and every one again,
I managed to travel to the rural area for the goat purchase as you had instructed me. I bought three goats from an open market where goats and cattle are brought for sale.With the money i received from Ginger, this is the breakdown of how I spent:
-3goats all I spent Kshs 8,000
-Ropes for tying them Kshs 500
-Salt used as a feed Kshs 1500
-My transport to and fro Kshs 2000
-Care taker Kshs 3000
-Total Kshs 15,000
All this items where bought from the same open market where all transactions are carried out in an informal way and no receipts are issued so i could not get any receipt however the photos can show that the goats have been bought and the project is now in progress.The care taker is some one I know and he has offered to help us not at any agreed payment but just for any assistance of any form that we can give him at any time.We shall continue working with him as the project progress.I will be back with the maize report shortly.
Much thanks to Ginger for setting this work in motion.I have an idea of attaching the goats to 3 children as their school fees and other learning requirements.Does it work well ginger?
Thanks a lot.

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Hi all,
This is all we arrived at with my cousin on maize growing
- Land per acre is Kshs 5000.High demand has made renting charges to shoot up from this year.
- ploughing Kshs 3000
- D.A.P Fertilizer Kshs 4000
- Planting labour Kshs 800
- Weeding labour Kshs 1000
- Eurea and C.N for top dressing Kshs 3500
- Cutting charges Kshs 800
- plucking from the maize stock Kshs 700
- Carriage charges Kshs 1000
-Winnowing charges Kshs 2000
- Seeds Kshs 2000
Total Kshs 24800

This is the cost of 1 acre which I was advised that if every thing can be done at the earliest time and in the right quantity, the harvest cannot go bellow 30 bags of 90 kilograms.The right time for selling this maize off to fetch for a better profit is not immediately after harvesting but storing it until February of the following year when the price will have gone up likely to 2300 or 2400 per 90Kg bag.With this kind of price we can make almost 50% profit from the sale of 1 acre.As I have said earlier, we need to prepare money for land in October or early November while the rest of the work will start in February.
You can evaluate on this and see the way forward.
Wishing the best,
Richard.

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Hi Ginger,
I think your initiative with the goats deserves to work in this situation. I know you have experience of it working successfully in the past and I wish the project every success. Perhaps we should open up a new project room on goat management so that neighbours who can add practical advice on the care and welfare of the goats can contribute. There are not just financial benefits from this but also educational lessons for everyone to benefit from.
Cheer Shaun

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