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Some of the youths of Wakitaka also want to start vegetable growing. They are planning to rent a 1/2 acre land to do it. They are also planning to use the bucket drip system for water. Help them to find out which vegetables to grow, how to achieve the best results, how and when to sell them.

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ken hargesheimer
Re: vegetable growing project
Thu, 2009/04/09 - 14:06

Most of these questions cannot be answered by someone outside the village. Grow the vegetables that people there eat. They are sold when they are harvested. There is little storage time for fresh vegetables. In the future, they might want to consider drying vegetables and selling later. Use a solar dryer made locally. Grow during the dry season using drip when the prices are highest.

After they have a successful season I will consider mailing them seed for new vegetables such as spaghetti squash, sweet maize, popping maize, baby maize, popping sorghum, etc.

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MariaZ
Re: Help to set up bucket drip system and vegetable growing project
Thu, 2009/04/09 - 19:03

Hi Ken,

thank you for all the information you have already been giving to the youths. I think it will be of great value to them, and they are ready to start.

Emmanuel, what are the veggies/fruit they want to grow? I read so far about tomatoes, eggplant, passion fruit. What sells best in your region? Do they have to buy the seeds, or is there any possibility to get support from villagers?

Sorry for the many questions I aks:)

regards,
Maria

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For the bucket drip system, Ken has sent them the information before - here it is again: 0bucket drip irrigation GARDENS/MINI-FARMS NETWORK USA, México, Rep Dominicana, Cote d’Ivoire, Nigeria, Haití, Honduras, Kenya, Malawi, Mozambique, England, Nicaragua, India, Uzbekistan Workshops [urban & rural] in organic, no-till, permanent-bed, gardening, mini-farming, mini-ranching, with bucket drip irrigation, worldwide, in English & Español Bucket Drip Irrigation The bucket must be suspended at least l meter above the ground. A tube is connected to the dripline and the other end is placed in the bucket to siphon the water out. Assuming the bucket is 20 liters, fill it twice for each row of vegetables. The dripline can be moved to another row for irrigating. Each row of vegetables is irrigated every other day. Plant a row of vegetables on each side of the dripline and use 40 liters of water. Bucket Kits The key to the simple drip irrigation system that we use is the gravity fed "bucket kit". The bucket kit consists of four 8m lines [or two of 50 ft or one of 100’] of drip tape connected to a bucket suspended 1m above the vegetable bed. Water is poured into the bucket and is evenly distributed to 100 watering points. By filling the bucket twice a day, a small kitchen garden can be watered. Studies in Kenya have shown that two of these kits can provide the water needed to produce enough vegetables to feed a family of seven during the dry season. These bucket kits are available in most countries (US$15), save water, save labor, and are easy to use. Go to Chapinlivingwaters.org. Using sleeves Farmers in Honduras invented a VERY cheap drip irrigation system. They buy the regular black poly hose. Then they punch holes in it where they want them with a nail or ice pick. A hot nail is best. Then take short sections [5 inches] of the same hose, cut it lengthwise to form a sleeve, and place a sleeve over each hole. This sleeve applies pressure to the hole, only letting a little water out, like a drip. This technology is quite cheap, VERY simple to do. Maintenance is also simple, because if a hole plugs up, you can often unplug it merely by taking the sleeve off and then replacing it. Using screws Farmers in Nicaragua are using cheap round tubing and wood screws. If drip tape is unavailable, this is a great alternative. We tried it with great success. The screw is inserted completely into the tubing at each planting location so that it protrudes through the opposite wall. It is then backed off to allow water to drip through that side. The flow is set by screwing it in or out as needed. This even allows for variations in pressure due to terrain. Pin holes for drip I am wondering if a dripline could be made by using a hot pin or very small hot nail, etc. to punch holes in the poly tubing. I mean really tiny holes. DIY drip kit: Roger Pigott [San Diego workshop] decided to use two bucket drip systems on a bed in the garden but he did not want to siphon the water. Kits from Echonet.org are $25 each. He went to the hardware store and purchased: 100' of ½" black poly tubing; a post to hang buckets on; a faucet rosette washer and nut; ¾" ring washers; ¾" swivel tubing adapter; union - ¾" pipe threads and garden hose threads. One for each bucket. He drilled a 3/4 inch hole in the bottom of the buckets and installed the fittings. He then connected the tubing from the buckets to a header. He has five driplines connected to the header using tees and ells. He used wood screws for the drip outlets. There is about 60' of dripline. He planted seed in the five rows and laid the dripline over the seed. Very original thinking! Buy enough hose to connect the drip line to the top of the bucket to siphon out the water. It takes about 1-2 hours for the bucket to empty. The dripline can be moved to another row of vegetables or plant a row of vegetables on each side of the dripline. Use more water. If one is willing to carry the water, one line will irrigate several rows during the day. Plant green manure/cover crops to cut and leave on top of the soil to improve the soil. This is a MUST. Also, can be intercropped with the food crop. Ken Hargesheimer minifarms@gmail.com application/msword icon Drip photo.doc Average: -- Ginger :) [teaser] => Yes, that is what the boys decided last month - I imagine it's still what they want - Emma said passion fruit is a very good source of income - we spoke at length about what kind - putting up stakes for it to grow on - that it flowers all year round - not as much the second and third years. It was to go on the plot of land they are renting for $15/yr. But they had yet to find out how much it would cost to buy a plant, and how many they would put in. For the bucket drip system, Ken has sent them the information before - here it is again: 0bucket drip irrigation [log] => [format] => 1 [uid] => 16372 [name] => vellsworth2 [picture] => [data] => a:8:{s:16:"nodecomment_sort";s:1:"2";s:16:"privatemsg_allow";i:1;s:28:"privatemsg_setmessage_notify";i:0;s:8:"og_email";s:1:"2";s:17:"messaging_default";s:4:"mail";s:7:"contact";i:0;s:29:"taxonomy_image_disable_images";i:0;s:8:"options1";s:1:"0";} [path] => village/wakitaka/project/task/discussion/re-help-set-bucket-drip-system-and-vegetable-growing-proje-0 [field_embedded_video] => Array ( [0] => Array ( [embed] => [value] => [provider] => [data] => Array ( ) ) ) [field_external_link] => Array ( [0] => Array ( [url] => [title] => [attributes] => N; ) [1] => Array ( [url] => [title] => [attributes] => N; ) ) [comment_type] => task_discussion [og_groups] => Array ( [0] => 170663 ) [og_groups_both] => Array ( [170663] => Wakitaka ) [og_public] => 1 [tags] => [nodewords] => Array ( ) [trid] => 0 [language] => en [i18n_status] => 0 [taxonomy] => Array ( ) [translation] => Array ( ) [cid] => 206598 [pid] => 206487 [hostname] => 98.151.56.137 [thread] => 02.00/ [mail] => [homepage] => [comment_target_nid] => 206269 [depth] => 1 )
Virginia Ellsworth
Re: Help to set up bucket drip system and vegetable growing project
Fri, 2009/04/10 - 02:15

Yes, that is what the boys decided last month - I imagine it's still what they want - Emma said passion fruit is a very good source of income - we spoke at length about what kind - putting up stakes for it to grow on - that it flowers all year round - not as much the second and third years. It was to go on the plot of land they are renting for $15/yr. But they had yet to find out how much it would cost to buy a plant, and how many they would put in. For the bucket drip system, Ken has sent them the information before - here it is again:

0bucket drip irrigation

GARDENS/MINI-FARMS NETWORK
USA, México, Rep Dominicana, Cote d’Ivoire, Nigeria, Haití,
Honduras, Kenya, Malawi, Mozambique, England, Nicaragua, India, Uzbekistan
Workshops [urban & rural] in organic, no-till, permanent-bed, gardening, mini-farming, mini-ranching,
with bucket drip irrigation, worldwide, in English & Español

Bucket Drip Irrigation

The bucket must be suspended at least l meter above the ground. A tube is connected to the dripline and the other end is placed in the bucket to siphon the water out. Assuming the bucket is 20 liters, fill it twice for each row of vegetables. The dripline can be moved to another row for irrigating. Each row of vegetables is irrigated every other day. Plant a row of vegetables on each side of the dripline and use 40 liters of water.

Bucket Kits
The key to the simple drip irrigation system that we use is the gravity fed "bucket kit". The bucket kit consists of four 8m lines [or two of 50 ft or one of 100’] of drip tape connected to a bucket suspended 1m above the vegetable bed. Water is poured into the bucket and is evenly distributed to 100 watering points. By filling the bucket twice a day, a small kitchen garden can be watered. Studies in Kenya have shown that two of these kits can provide the water needed to produce enough vegetables to feed a family of seven during the dry season. These bucket kits are available in most countries (US$15), save water, save labor, and are easy to use. Go to Chapinlivingwaters.org.

Using sleeves
Farmers in Honduras invented a VERY cheap drip irrigation system. They buy the regular black poly hose. Then they punch holes in it where they want them with a nail or ice pick. A hot nail is best. Then take short sections [5 inches] of the same hose, cut it lengthwise to form a sleeve, and place a sleeve over each hole. This sleeve applies pressure to the hole, only letting a little water out, like a drip. This technology is quite cheap, VERY simple to do. Maintenance is also simple, because if a hole plugs up, you can often unplug it merely by taking the sleeve off and then replacing it.

Using screws
Farmers in Nicaragua are using cheap round tubing and wood screws. If drip tape is unavailable, this is a great alternative. We tried it with great success. The screw is inserted completely into the tubing at each planting location so that it protrudes through the opposite wall. It is then backed off to allow water to drip through that side. The flow is set by screwing it in or out as needed. This even allows for variations in pressure due to terrain.

Pin holes for drip
I am wondering if a dripline could be made by using a hot pin or very small hot nail, etc. to punch holes in the poly tubing. I mean really tiny holes.

DIY drip kit:
Roger Pigott [San Diego workshop] decided to use two bucket drip systems on a bed in the garden but he did not want to siphon the water. Kits from Echonet.org are $25 each. He went to the hardware store and purchased: 100' of ½" black poly tubing; a post to hang buckets on; a faucet rosette washer and nut; ¾" ring washers; ¾" swivel tubing adapter; union - ¾" pipe threads and garden hose threads. One for each bucket. He drilled a 3/4 inch hole in the bottom of the buckets and installed the fittings. He then connected the tubing from the buckets to a header. He has five driplines connected to the header using tees and ells. He used wood screws for the drip outlets. There is about 60' of dripline. He planted seed in the five rows and laid the dripline over the seed. Very original thinking!

Buy enough hose to connect the drip line to the top of the bucket to siphon out the water. It takes about 1-2 hours for the bucket to empty. The dripline can be moved to another row of vegetables or plant a row of vegetables on each side of the dripline. Use more water. If one is willing to carry the water, one line will irrigate several rows during the day.

Plant green manure/cover crops to cut and leave on top of the soil to improve the soil. This is a MUST. Also, can be intercropped with the food crop.

Ken Hargesheimer
minifarms@gmail.com
application/msword icon
Drip photo.doc
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Ginger :)

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mmokoena
Re: Help to set up bucket drip system and vegetable growing project
Thu, 2009/04/16 - 12:04

Hi, Mariaz I just started using this site and i read your profile and i believe your can help me alot in the project that I am in.You have done so much and i cant wait to hear your reply.I know that you are discussing how to set up the bucket drip system sorry for being irrelevant to the topic.
I, am a manager in the Skills Development Centre under Marketing.What we do is provide skills to ordinary people that leads them to be entrepreneurs at the end of the course that is our vision.

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M.Mokoena

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MariaZ
skills training
Thu, 2009/04/16 - 12:16

Hi M.Mokoena,

Thanks for your post in Wakitaka Village. I highly encourage you to join Wakitaka as a neighbour. It´s a very active village and the local community has a group of youths trying to set up a poultry, goat, pig rearing and vegetable growing project. They are also eager to get new skills to improve their business and income generation capacity. Your comments about skills training in this context are highly welcome.
Sorry, but I am not sure about what is your project really about. Are you setting it up at Nabuur? Could you explain a bit more about what you are doing? You also can send a private message if you´d like to.

best,
Maria

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Emmanuel
Re: Projects Updates
Thu, 2009/04/16 - 18:50

Hi Neighbors,

Thanks for being actively involved in the discussions! It’s been quite long without writing to you! The reason is that I have been moving up and down to see that the projects get started. My internet has also not been reliable.

I have tried moving around town to locate the hose pipe but all was in vain. However, I was able to locate a 1/2” pipe that costs 1200UShs per meter. I think this can also do similar work. What do you think? I also moved around town in Jinja with Richard to find out the costs of the seeds for the vegetables and passion fruits. A packet of tomato seeds was at 10,000UShs or about 5USD, egg plant seeds at 4000UShs or 2USD. However, those for passion fruits were not in stock. We will still continue to see if we can get the seeds for the passion fruits. If we fail, then we will think of another option of may be buying the seedlings but this may be a little more expensive than making our own nursery bed. I will post the estimated budget for both the vegetable and passion fruit project tomorrow for you to give your comments.

Updates on the projects:
Next week, the 23rd of April, 2009 is the day that the youths were told to collect the chicks after booking for about 3weeks. We therefore expect the poultry project to kick start on the 23rd of April, 2009. As I informed you earlier on that the goats were to be purchased this week, this has not been possible because Richard is still on the search for the better quality goats. Perhaps both poultry and the goat project may have to start off same week i.e. next week.
One limitation at hand is a digital camera for the group. Do you have any idea on how to go about this issue? Mine is still faulty with the technician. I am still waiting to hear from him.

I have also been experiencing this for long this week! I have been trying to contribute to the discussions but this is the message I have been getting on Nabuur! Over capacity. Sorry NABUUR's server is too busy at this moment. Please wait a short while and try again. Error 503 Service Unavailable.

Have you also experienced a similar problem on the site?
Regards,
Emmanuel Menya

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MariaZ
Re: Projects Updates
Thu, 2009/04/16 - 20:04

Dear Emmanuel, dear all,

Thanks for this update. It´s great that the project moves on, and that the youths want to start next week. Have they already started preparing the land? Maybe if it takes a bit longer to find the seeds, this could be a first step; as well as the idea of composting to get some fertilizer. Do you think they need this, Ken?
For the passion fruit, I was reading that it takes quite long to obtain the fruits. (up to one year, is this right?) So maybe it´s not so urgent to start off.
For the camera, this is really bad that it broke down. Do you have maybe a friend of yours that could lend you his camera?
I was also thinking about a logo for the CBO; and I think since the youths are so talented in doing arts they could design one, and replicate it. What do you think?

Neighbours, what´s about Sunday evening for a chat? (since Sonja is not there on Saturday and wanted to join) Who would be there and like to join?

Sorry for the mix of questions and issues,
take care,
Maria

PS: Emmanuel asked me to join this very encouraging document with success stories from similar youths projects. Hope we´ll reach this stage one day, keep fingers crossed:)

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ken hargesheimer
seed and compost
Fri, 2009/04/17 - 01:25

I am shocked at the price of seed. Go to www.groworganic.com and compare. The problem is that the varieties available here are not necessarily the varieties you need.

If there is organic materials [leaves, spoiled food, grass, etc] available then they could compost that. Otherwise, they need to buy seed for green manure/cover crops to add organic matter to the soil. Mucuna, velvet bean, etc. There are several for the tropics.

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Virginia Ellsworth
Re: veggie growing, no till -
Fri, 2009/04/17 - 02:20

Sorry to hear about the hose problem - but if you are talking 56 cents per meter - then 100 meters is only about $17 - how many meters do you need ? I forget - was it 100 feet or 30 meters PER tank of water? So that would be a total of 150 meters times 60 cents or $90 USD. But then you need all sorts of attachments at every plant site - and THAT is even more expensive. Only problem is that the pipe - PVC we call it - supposedly clogs more than the flexible hose - Ken - is there a reason they can't find this in Uganda? Emma - have you gone to a garden store in the city? Where they will have rubber hoses??? Some hoses are flat and have holes already in them. Ken, could they put this hose upside down so it is putting the water directly in the ground? As far as the passion fruit -= my vote would be to spend the extra to get a plant from a nursery that is maybe in a 5 gallon can - and will start producing fruit in, let's say 6 months instead of a whole year. The nursery should be able to give you some info - and how to get the seeds from your plants to start a dozen more for next year... The cost of seeds is more expensive than we pay, but I believe we are talking a one time investment that you will be able to continue growing year to year from your plant's seeds. DON'T FORGET WHAT KEN SAYS - you must put down some ground cover that will protect your veggies from bugs. And also produce something for the goats to eat (I think) Emma - do check how much the goats are going to need to eat and if there are places to take them to eat every day. Will the boys be going together?

--
Ginger :)

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ken hargesheimer
Re: veggie growing, no till -
Fri, 2009/04/17 - 04:09

PVC is rigid and expensive everywhere. You want black polyethylene tubing. 1/2 inch in diameter. You need 115 feet for each bucket. 100 feet for dripline and 15 feet to go up to the bucket. I could not find it in Nigeria where I was. You will need 100 screws or another 50 feet of tubing to make the drip outlets. Every country I have been in had stores selling plastic tubing and pipe.

You can buy factory made driplines with factory made drip outlets. Go to the farm stores, etc. The above should be less expensive. The kits are being used at:

African Hospitality Institute
Maggie Josiah, PO Box 9242, Kampala

email: maggiejosiah@infocom.co.ug or ahi.uganda@yahoo.com

Ken

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Emmanuel
Re: hose drip line
Fri, 2009/04/17 - 12:50

Hi Neighbors,

I have contacted Maggie Josiah both on phone and email. She told me that she also just came with the hose drip line from the USA. She has nothing to sell. She practices bucket drip irrigation. I asked her to allow me visit her farm and she accepted. I have made an appointment with her on Wednesday next week to have a look on what she does and learn more from her.

Regards,
Emmanuel

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Virginia Ellsworth
Re: hose drip line
Sat, 2009/04/18 - 00:40

I already thought of buying it and sending it to you, but the cost would be outrageous!!! If you Have to go with the PVC because the other flexible is nowhere available (you did check in Kampala at a nursery? where you should also cost out the plants - check with them how long for them to fruit) Good luck when you visit - and David has still not answered me where he bought the hose - I'll let you know as soon as he is well and back on line-

--
Ginger :)

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Virginia Ellsworth
Re: hose drip line
Sun, 2009/04/19 - 04:12

I'm at my cousin's this weekend, and guess what they are putting in their garden??? 1/2" hose drip line!!! - with holes already punched and reinforced at every 18" - 100 feet is only $15 USD. Hopefully Maggie will have something she can show you to use. Otherwise we might try to see if someone is going to Uganda and can take this hose to you???

--
Ginger :)

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ken hargesheimer
Re: hose drip line
Sun, 2009/04/19 - 04:28

Usually the bucket drip kits cost US$12 to 15 in all countries. That is with 100' of dripline. Outlets every 12 inches. 18 inches is too far apart for vegetables. Water will go horizonally only about 6 inches. Surely Maggie can tell him where to purchase them the way she got hers. If she cannot, I will email Dick and ask him who sells them in Uganda. They are available in every country. They are expensive compared to the DIY ones like I recommend but do what you can with what you have. I made one in Nicaragua for US$3.

Ken

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MariaZ
passion fruit
Tue, 2009/04/14 - 23:00

Dear all,

I found some more good links giving information about growing passion fruit that I wanted to share (maybe somebody has cited them already before, I am not sure). Hope this might be of use.

Sonia,
thank you for proposing another chat. I would definitely be interested. Have you thought about any day? Is Saturday ok? Could you be there, Emmanuel? What do the others think? I would really love to talk a bit more with all of you, since it´s really strange only to know people from their posts:)

take care,
Maria

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