General discussion about the project

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Discussion about project and actions to be taken in the village and by the neighbours

Dear all,

here's our chat from yesterday, March 7.

praveen says:
HI Raul and Sonja
praveen says:
sorry for delay in response
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
Hi Praven. Where in the world are you now?
praveen says:

praveen says:
am in India - Khunti
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
Cool
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
How is the community?
praveen says:
I thought it would be important to share my experiences
sonja marjanovic says:
definitely
praveen says:
not too good but not too bad as well
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
I think there would be very important. Hopefully we'll get Guillaume online soon
praveen says:
ya
sonja marjanovic says:
guys I sent him an sms, hope to see him soon
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
ok
praveen says:
ok
sonja marjanovic says:
he'll be here in about 15 min
praveen says:
ohhh - okay
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
ok. MAye we can start discussing a bit on other areas?
sonja marjanovic says:
sure
praveen says:
sure
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
The strategy of the project or somehting like that?
sonja marjanovic says:
sure
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
What do you think SOja?
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
SOnja
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
Ok
praveen says:
yes first I think we should get an idea
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
DId you find out if they ahve some cows already SOnja?
sonja marjanovic says:
not yet, i first understood they don't have any, now i'm not sure anymore
sonja marjanovic says:
but i think those involved in project don't have them
praveen says:
ok
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
My understanding is that they do not have based on what I ahve read
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
But better to confirm with Guillaume
sonja marjanovic says:
?
sonja marjanovic says:
what u have read?
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
Just my feeling on what I read in the postings.
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
But as I say better to confirm with him
sonja marjanovic says:
yes, right
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
Praven. I was curious on a post I read saying that some of the cows in your community died. Some of the ones that were donated. DId I get that right?
praveen says:
yes it is
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
And what did you think teh main factors for that to happen were?
praveen says:
that's the reason I am very much concern with this project and want to let you all know what can go wrong
praveen says:
I think - the project should have people who are already having cow or cows and they are into the business already
praveen says:
we are yet to get more info from the LR -we will wait for that
praveen says:
Also the group work is important for this project
praveen says:
I mean unity
sonja marjanovic says:
did u reach now that unity in khunty?
praveen says:
Not yet - that's the reason we are now focusing the individual efforts
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
WHat are the main obstacles you had to overcome to get more unity based on your expereince?
praveen says:
once they see the benefits - later we bring them into the group
sonja marjanovic says:
raul how did u achieved unity in your projects?
sonja marjanovic says:
did u have problems with that?
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
The good thing in MEnengai was that they had the the initiative to be a group before contacting NAbuur
praveen says:
I think the inexperience/ less knowledge/ zeal to take up the new activity
praveen says:
no culture of working together
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
They actually had a bigger one but amongst themselves decided to make it a smaller groups because some members were not colaborating as much
praveen says:
lack of motivation/ initiative
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
But now many more people want to be aprt os similar things and are using similar techniques
sonja marjanovic says:
well, i'm affraid we have too many people in walungu
sonja marjanovic says:
that+s what praveen is talking about - the saw the benefits
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
IS it 100 people in the group?AM I right?
praveen says:
yes that's the reason - I wrote in one of my posts that we should start small
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
but first 20 members?
praveen says:
and they too - not having experience in cow business
sonja marjanovic says:
first 20
praveen says:
too much
praveen says:
20 is too big
praveen says:
if they all are new
praveen says:
i mean not having any cow or never worked with the cows
sonja marjanovic says:
well i think they did work with cows, or at least their parents...
sonja marjanovic says:
well that could work in bosnia for example
praveen says:
you know - only getting cows on donation is not a work - the most important is management and running of the project
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
But if they have the innitiative to save in a group I think that is the only way to start to have cows
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
And then combine wiht the techniques they can start using
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
BAsed on the experience of Praveen the one in MEnengai and any research we can do. As well as te experience of th epeople on the field
praveen says:
yes
sonja marjanovic says:
i'm happy to see that there are so many possibilities
sonja marjanovic says:
and i think they will be interested to use them
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
The important thing as well I think is to get Guillaume to understand that the empowerment must come from the community and to get them to start committing in small steps they ca start taking to see how they can start getting resutls
sonja marjanovic says:
guillaume is here

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praveen says:
Hi Cuillaume
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
Bonjour Guiom
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
How are you?
Guillaume says:
Hi praven
Guillaume says:
I am fine
Guillaume says:
bonjour à topus
sonja marjanovic says:
hi guillaume
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
We were just discussing a few things on the project of Walungu
Guillaume says:
yes
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
We are very ecxited to have you here and about the things we thing the community of Walingu can achieve
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
think

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Guillaume says:
Whart exactely
praveen says:
sorry was disconnected
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
Praveen has been involved with a similar project in India
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
And I facilitated another project that has worked well in Kenya
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
So we think there area few things we could share that could be good for Walungu
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
ONe question. How many cows does the community have at the moment?
Guillaume says:
at the moment the community had anny cow
Guillaume says:
we started giving them some guineapig
praveen says:
none of the community member have the cows? never had the cows?
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
When you say we. WHo is giving them teh guinea pigs?
Guillaume says:
The ASDI my association
Guillaume says:
We negotiated with FAO to distribute to some families
Guillaume says:
The community is just ariving from desplacement situation
praveen says:
how are they doing in the guinea pigs project ? how many families are involved
Guillaume says:
the kabila war,the RCD war had pushed people in teh bush and others went out of congo
Guillaume says:
walungu had just,since two year so far get peace
Guillaume says:
they are staring to cultivate
Guillaume says:
World food programme had supplied with some pulse,beans and other
Guillaume says:
but now they need some sustainable activities not emergency activities to take care of them selves
praveen says:
how are they doing in the guinea pigs project ? how many families are involved
Guillaume says:
100 families
praveen says:
are they in a co-operative or working in a group or individual
Guillaume says:
we gave to the malnurshed families
Guillaume says:
they are working as a group,because we launched some community demonstration plot to learn the how to plant vegetable in the way to get some mineral vitamine and to fight against malnutrition
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
And what have you thought of the ideas we have exposed in the website?
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
The saving groups for example?
praveen says:
?
praveen says:
is Guillaume there?
Guillaume says:
probleme of connexion
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
I was just asking of the idea of having the saving group so they can start buying cows or other animals with a cooperative type of approach
Guillaume says:
What have been told in the web site was right
Guillaume says:
only I wonder about not to take cow to pasture
Guillaume says:
and about the community to save some money
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
But is teh community eager to start saving in a group to buy the animals quicker?
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
What have you wonder on that?
Guillaume says:
actually it 's complicate to ask community to save money
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
Why?
Guillaume says:
because they gain rate per month is under 1 per day
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
Have you explained them the benefits to work as a group?
Guillaume says:
Yes that's our senzitization seances
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
But have you explained the benefits in the longer term?
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
You emntioned they would be ale to save 100 a months and buy one cow every two months
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
And then that can be combined with other techniques
Guillaume says:
yes the long term is to constitute a cooperative and proof them that over walungu this system works
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
Teh community really needs to be in control and start taking action on what they can do and we will try to support
Guillaume says:
wich kind of technique
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
Well, we can start researching or discussing techniques that have worked in Kenya and in India as well as helping iwht the things that ahve not worked
Guillaume says:
ok
praveen says:
Sorry to intrrupt Raul - should we first get to know how the project is planned? Cause I have gone through the initial project and there has been some changes
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
But it is important to start with some results achieved with the community saving and taking action as as group to make things happen
praveen says:
what is the concept of the community for the dairy - like if cows are donated individually or in the group - how are they going to carry on
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
Ok
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
Let's do that
praveen says:
cause getting cows would not be a issue if right people are involved in the project
Guillaume says:
The community is agreeng that iven if the cow is on your responsability is belonging to the group
praveen says:
and I am very much concern with the project - if the members are willing and interested in the project
Guillaume says:
this technic permit them to avoid deseases and looting
praveen says:
can they go for training before getting cow? for a month or two
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
We discussed in the website that the cows need ot be owned by individuals
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
Is the advise from Ken as well
Guillaume says:
as far the community is focusing on the activitiy
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
But the offsprings given to another member
praveen says:
then how they willl be managed - u know that the cows need lot of care and good mgmt
praveen says:
otherwise they would die
Guillaume says:
We have veterinary who will usually pass and serveill in any case of probleme
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
YEs Guillaume but we are trying to discuss that the expereince say that is not about the veterinary but about taking care so the is no need to call a veterinary
Guillaume says:
in case of epidemy surely cow can die
praveen says:
right raul
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
And that is why we also recommend having the cows separate so if there will not be epidemies
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
One woud die and that is all. It is easier to manage
Guillaume says:
we warn community to do their best to respect the conseling of expert
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
The idea is that each person would become a type of expert
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
They can owm the knowledge
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
own
praveen says:
who will do that - training part?
praveen says:
who will provide knowledge
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
WE could always look into local choices
Guillaume says:
By experience famillies had each breed cow in past
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
WE worked with the KEnyan Instute of Agricultural Research for that
praveen says:
does Guillaume has any plans
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
They offered free training to some members of the community
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
And then the knowledge was spread
praveen says:
that is great
Guillaume says:
in our country livestock is still runing traditionaly
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
Guiilaume. Each member has a small farm or do they have community farms?
Guillaume says:
if kenya can support for skills updated,not problem
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
WEll, we are here to support you and recommend some modern methods
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
But it is up to the community to make the decisions
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
Is the community that needs to take ownership and really understand that we are here to support do they can be independent and do not require to ask for money or others but to be self-dependent
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
Even after a situation of war. you can start small but with a well organised group things shoudl increase with time
Guillaume says:
That 's the big goal to let them depending up themselves
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
And that is why we recommend taht needs to happen from the beginning of hte project
Guillaume says:
Really
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
Even if that means starting with small steps
sonja marjanovic says:
we actually can go no other way then small steps, i believe
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
And working as a group is so important Guillaume. THe saving groups have also shown great benefits in many countries
sonja marjanovic says:
and to see small results, which will bring the confidence to the group
Guillaume says:
i agree with that that working as a group make more benefit
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
In SIerra LEone we started small. producing honey with a modern but simple technique and they have learn in the process and have also have saving groups
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
Even is the amounts saved are little if they are many people the final amount helps to do many things

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Raul Alberto Caceres says:
WE can for example think of ways thay can start seeing that working together pays off
Guillaume says:
working as a group is our ideal
Guillaume says:
thi is good
Guillaume says:
you know,rural people needs to see result as smollit coul be
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
Is has to be really clear that Nabuur is not about fund raising but about helping you connecting to the world and supporting you in the empowerment process of your community
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
We might have to go into trying to get some funds in
praveen says:
ya thanks
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
But tha is not the main step to make a project successfull
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
Guiilaume, do they have each a small farm or there are community farms?
Guillaume says:
some of them have ownfarm
Guillaume says:
and they exist the community farm for all people who can own caw
Guillaume says:
the community farm is calling bugisha in the local langage
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
That is a small problem I think because all we ahve seen is that having the cows in a community space does not work
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
Praven can tell you more abut that expereince
praveen says:
yes sure
Guillaume says:
ok praven
Guillaume says:
What was wrong with this systeme
Guillaume says:
praven
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
I think he lost his connection. LEt's see
praveen says:
i am very much here
praveen says:
which system are u talking about?
Guillaume says:
ok how do you think can compromise this Raul
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
HAving th ecows in one space
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
Community space
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
Why that did not work for you?
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
For the community?
Guillaume says:
Ascaping some desease
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
But what I think happened there is that in the one side if one cow gets sick then all can get sick and also they do not look after the cows as if they each have a cow i their farm
praveen says:
we started in the community shelter
Guillaume says:
and to improove proprreté
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
But let's see what Praveen says
praveen says:
no - that was not the problem
praveen says:
we were giving vaccines and every thing
praveen says:
we did well for a year
praveen says:
but later when it was the time to take care by the community
praveen says:
it didn't work
praveen says:
when we started the project - we involved few families
Guillaume says:
how
Guillaume says:
howmany
praveen says:
they were suppose to come to the community shelter and learn the mgmt for a year
praveen says:
initially with two
praveen says:
two cows
praveen says:
step by step with our good work - we started getting cows - donation
praveen says:
by year end we had eight cows
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
so what steps did the community take to get the donations?
Guillaume says:
you payed others or what
praveen says:
but due to inexpereince and lack of motivation - no petience - lazyness - not to take proper care of the cows
praveen says:
few of the cows died
sonja marjanovic says:
i believe they didn't look after those cows because they didn't EARN them
praveen says:
still four community members and their cows are doing well
sonja marjanovic says:
they just got them for free
praveen says:
right - that comes the mgmt part
praveen says:
not that - we asked for a liter of milk every day so that we have 30 liters of milk in a month
praveen says:
to get approx 500 Rupees a monthly installment for the cows donated
Guillaume says:
and who have been keeping the money gained from selling milk
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
So they saved as a group?
praveen says:
no - as an individual but none of them is making profit
Guillaume says:
ok
praveen says:
as long as we as an organisation was involved with our trainer we did well
Guillaume says:
and actually what is the result
praveen says:
but when the family members did not learn in a year - and then group started problems cause four of the cows were taken by LOAN from the local Bank
praveen says:
and four were from the donations
praveen says:
Our project is failed
Guillaume says:
sorry
praveen says:
that's the reason I want to tell you that be cautious - it is really a different project then guienie Pig
Guillaume says:
we do more pay attention to warn community
praveen says:
it requires lot of mgmt training
praveen says:
warning community is not the answer
Guillaume says:
training is more expected in this
Guillaume says:
at the community level
praveen says:
u have to teach them - so try getting the membes involved who goes and works elsewhere for an hour every day at a place where the cows are there
praveen says:
so that he/she know each and every thing about the cows
praveen says:
and then get them into the project
Guillaume says:
it sounds that they are interested
Guillaume says:
when they heard about seeds they were very interested
praveen says:
our group was also interesed
praveen says:
seeds??
praveen says:
okay from Ken
Guillaume says:
I have been in worry thet this could not pass as a new technique
praveen says:
that is very much secondary part - first is the confidence
Guillaume says:
they used to pasture cow as in traditional
praveen says:
u mean their parents
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
PReven do you use regular pasture or take food to the cows?
Guillaume says:
i thaught that cultivating seeds couls add work and discourage them
Guillaume says:
in contrary they were interested
praveen says:
no - it will very much encourage them
praveen says:
the question is whether they will be able to maintain the cows - they should not think it as a ginie pig business
Guillaume says:
this is new from our side
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
YEs, cows seem to be a lot more delicate and theya re a lot more expensive too
Guillaume says:
the experience I learned from praven is that not to use more people in this project

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Guillaume says:
starting with a small number could help
Guillaume says:
i think that monitoring is so easy
sonja marjanovic says:
monitoring what? smaller group?
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
Praveen lost his connection
Guillaume says:
Monitoring the individual involved in project
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
Guillaume we really need to change teh mind set that says the individual needs to be monitored
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
They really need to be engaged and be teh ones driving the project
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
It is a project that needs to come from the community dne by the comunity and with results for the community
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
And we are here to support you on your decisions
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
And help you with the informaiton to take them
Guillaume says:
thinking about some vaccination session
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
Vaccination session?
Guillaume says:
yes in case of preventing deseases
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
Guys, I need to leave soon. BUt I think we have had a great first session. Should we get some conclusions and commit on some actions?
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
Guillaume, what next steps do you feel can be taken with teh community?
Guillaume says:
The first step was to get seeds
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
ok
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
then?
Guillaume says:
the second is to get animals
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
And in the meantime?
Guillaume says:
this depends on the evolution of the project
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
What about some of the recommendations from Praven?
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
Like getting some members of the group visiting some people with cows to start learning?
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
What about meetings to discuss the possibility of saving as a group?
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
What about meetings to collect their ideas on things they can do tehmselves to help the project and show evidence of comitment
Guillaume says:
what i learn is to senzitize community to deal as a group
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
Meetings to define who will get the first seeds, how will they be looked after, how they will use the seeds that will come form the first seeds
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
That is excellent
Guillaume says:
Actually that meeting is done and the community is waiting to produce firstly and to see who will be the futured beneficiaries for seeds
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
It is important that they start talking more about their dreams and about what they can do to make them a reality
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
DO you think maybe you can lead a meeting where you can asl all the memebrs about what they dream and then about how they think they can help themsleves to amke those dreams a reality?
Guillaume says:
Yes i can
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
That would be excellent. ANd tehn you can come back with a list of their dreams
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
And a list of the things that could do to make them a reality
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
Or at least to aprticipate to make tehm a reality?
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
In that way maybe we can start defining where to start?
Guillaume says:
Most of the express to have cow to produce milk and to process in futed to get fromage and what eever
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
WE are having a great momentum and I feel we should continue like we ahve
Guillaume says:
That's their dream
Guillaume says:
i sincerly thank you Raoul for your participation
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
What about programming the meeting and make the list of what they say and who says so so we can also learn their names
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
PAs de soucis Guiom nous somme ici pour vous aider
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
We are here to help
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
and support
Guillaume says:
Ok in next week
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
the community to become independent
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
The power in in the hands of the community Guillaume
Guillaume says:
To list needs and names
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
And what they can do to contribute
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
That is very importabt
Guillaume says:
exactely Raoul
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
What thay can think they can do. Get every person to say what they can do. Even if it is something very little
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
Something they can add
Guillaume says:
yes abraimstorming will help us to pull some ideas
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
I am sure it will
Guillaume says:
ok
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
Specially if it is the community coming up with the ideas. They know their community much better than we do.
Guillaume says:
let me save this conveesation on my flash
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
SO let's wait for that and then we can program anpther chat and continue discussing int he forum
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
ok, we will save it too and post it in the site
Guillaume says:
ok
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
It has been a pleasure talking to you today Guillaume
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
And to you too SOnja
Guillaume says:
for me too
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
Bon courage et a bientot
Guillaume says:
i've only looking at your picture on the web site
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
Thanks to you Sonja
sonja marjanovic says:
guys this was excellent conversation
sonja marjanovic says:
thank you both
Guillaume says:
thanks sonja for this chat
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
And please say "bon jour" to the community from me.
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
I'll talk to you guys later
Guillaume says:
Merci Raoul
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
A++++
sonja marjanovic says:
i can see the great things happening in the community in the future
Guillaume says:
ce serai un plaisir de te voir un jour au congo
Guillaume says:
a +++
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
Merci bcp Guillaume. Je vais essayer de programmer un sejour la bas si il y a une possibilite dans le future
Guillaume says:
Pret à vous accueillir
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
Tu est gentil Guillaume. MErci encore
Guillaume says:
ok à plus et à la prochaine Raoul
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
A+
Raul Alberto Caceres says:
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Dear neighbours,

Here's the summary of the things that happened during the last week:

- The seed sent by Ken is being expected to arrive soon. The interest and motivation of the local community increased with this and they have been prepairing for cultivating

- We had our first chat session with Local Representative. The main conclusions made on the chat are:

* From the beginning of the project we have to start with empowering the local community rather than with searching for donations

* The group work and the unity of the group are the most important for the success of the project. According to Praveen the main reasons for failure in Khunti were the absence of unity, motivation and management

* The project should be driven by the local comunity and with results for the local community. The role of NABUUR is to connect them to the world and support them in the empowerment process, and to raise some funds only when all other means are evaluated

* We should start with small steps and small visible results to reach higher level of motivation and unity within the community

* A group should be smaller than 20 families.

* The attention should be paid to the training so that the community could take good care of the cows. Praveen suggests that some members of the group start visiting some people with cows to start learning

* Guillaume will talk to the community and present them all the benefits of organizing in a group and benefits of group saving. The earlier experience on NABUUR shows that this is possible to do even in the same circumstances as in Walungu

* The community will brainstorm the needs they have, the results they want to achieve and what they can do to achieve their goals or at least to contribute

I wish you all a pleasent weekend.
Sonja

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Thanks Sonja,

Look forward to Guillaumes feedback.

Raul

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Right sonja

Guillaume

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This is the best example of how to help a community that I have seen on any posting on nabuur. We help the villagers help themselves.

I will mail seed for new crops as soon as I receive a postal address to mail them to. They will arrive in about three weeks. I could not find anyone traveling anywhere near there in the near future so I must mail them. I will mail a small packet of several and then the villagers must grow their own seed.

Build a demonstration bed for organic, 0-till. I believe I have posted a page on this.

A new book was published this year on 0-till with articles written by people around the world. My copy arrived last week. English only. Contact:

Ken

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Hi Ken,
Thanks for the supportAND ALL INFORMATION YOU ARE PROVIDING .we are waiting for the seeds in three weeks.I'l let you know when they reach my side.
My postal adress is

Mr GUILLAUME KAHOMBOSHI
C/O VINCENT MUKWEGE
Economat générale Archidiocese de Bukavu
BP 02 CYANGUGU
RWANDA

Guillaume

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I was confused about which country I had mailed and which I had given to people to deliver. The seed for Rwanda I mailed to Americans with Oklahoma Christian University who have a branch in Rwanda. This way I can send many more seed because of cost of mailing.

I have inquired as to where they are now. Some staff was going to Rwanda this month and they have your address, etc.

Ken

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Great Ken, thank you.

Could you please give us some more details on what exactly you have sent (maize, mucuna or something else)and how long it takes to grow?

I'm happy to learn that the community is very interested and that they are in preparations for cultivating.

We are looking forward to learning about their brainstorm session where the community and Guillaume will talk about their dreams and what they can do to achieve them, as Raul recommended.

There are so many possibilities and knowledge that can be passed to te community to empower them and help them build better future, and I'm looking forward to work together with our neighbours to help Walungu people make their dreams come true.

Warm regards,
Sonja

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I sent: spaghetti squash, several beans, sweet maize [eat fresh off the cob], popcorn/poping maize, endamame soybeans, cantelope, lablab beans for green manure, tomatillos, sunflower [for eating raw or roasting], okra, etc. Information is attached to each seed packet. dvds.

Many of these are grown in most of the countries I have taught in. Some will do well and others will not. Some they will like to eat and others, no. That is fine.

When I teach, I take tortillas with me to show people. This is a flat "bread" made of maize eaten in Mexico and Central Amereica. I eat them when I am home with meat or beans or cheese. I was going to introduce them to Kenya and found out that in one area the people make and eat them because another American had introduced them several years ago. They have them in a part of India made of maize [delicias] and in another area made of millet [I hated them]. I can email info on how to make them. Uses lime to remove outer part of the maize and then they are ground up and patted out and cooked over a fire or burner.

Ken

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Hi Sonja and Guillaume,

That is good news with the seeds, also to remind that we are waiting for Guillaume's feed back on the points we discussed in the chat meet.

looking forward to know more to help better

Praveen

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Hi praven,
i dind't have time to gather people because they were seriously involved in 08/03/2008(journée mondial dela femme).
In DRC this is a big journey.community is very involved,ladies aswell as men aboth.

I do give feedback about the community dreams.I'l do it on monday and let you know the futured dreams for this community warmly waiting for seeds .

A community member named PAPA Bachishoga had offert 30 HA of his land to cultivate seeds to the community.(30.000 m2).

Praven i'l draw conclusion soon after breifing with the community.

regards

Guillaume

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Dear Guillaume and neighbours,

Do you think that the community should keep some kind of diary with the details about the seed they cultivate (all of their plants, not only those that Ken sent), like
-how much of each sort they planted
-what techniques they used
-what kind of manure they used
-how much crop they got from each seed, and so on..?

I think it would be useful for some future projections and decisions that should be made.

Please let me know what you think.

Guillaume, since the people have guinea pigs but don't eat them for cultural reasons, would it be possible to use them for manure or that is forbiden as well?

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Dear neighbours,

I think that is a good idea.

Nicholas use to keep notes on the seeds that worked well, the ones that did not.

We also planted most of the initial seeds in one farm and the lady of that farm was very disciplined and that was a key for success.

Hope this helps,

Raul

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Hi everybody :)

Sonja,

Thank you so much for the summary.

I like the idea to start small and grow versus to start big and overwhelm the local community with too many activities or too grand scale.You mentioned that the local community may be interested in goats. I know about a very successful project in Kenya:Dairy Goats
"...has recently purchased seven hybrid dairy goats which were distributed to members of the Women's Group. Each recipient of a goat underwent an intensive three-day training in the care, feeding and use of these goats. Hybrid dairy goats are superior to the local goats because they yield a great deal of milk, as much as an entire cow, while local goats produce very little milk. The hybrid goats have been specially bred to thrive in Kenya and are just as easy to maintain as the local goats.

In addition to the income derived from the selling of goat's milk, the goats can also be bred and sold to other households. This is expected to be a significant source of income in the near future due to the fact that this specialty breed of goat is not currently available in western Kenya."

I can contact the lady who owns the project and ask about more details if the community in Walungu is interested.

Talk to you soon :))

Tanja

A question about the seeds: are they native to DR of the Congo? If not- was any research done on the implications of introducing new seeds?

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Hi Tanja, warm welcome to Walungu.

Yes actually Ken suggested an idea that maybe goats would be better for the community, rather than cows, at least for the beginning. According to him goats are cheaper, more resistant to diseases and can eat almost anything. Local rep. agrees that this would be a good idea, and some of the community members are interested. However, some of them still want cows since they had cows before the war.

So we should define strategy for the project – if we should switch for the goats or maybe split the people in 2 groups so that some of them would keep goats and some of them cows. Or just to start with the goats and then gradually to introduce the cows when we see how they will cope with smaller things.

Everyone - we would need opinions of all of you – what do you think would be most suitable and feasible?
I asked Tanja to help us to asses the risks for the project (and also risks of the cow project versus goat project)and to do some short swot analysis to see all the potential benefits and drawbacks to be able to see the whole picture and to make necessary decisions.

Tanja – Thank you for the suggestion and yes, please, we would be interested in details of that project.

Ken – You could give the best answer about the seed. What I can say is that Ken sends the seed to almost all the villages involved in agriculture and has experience in gardening in Africa, so I’m sure the seed will suit DRC as well.

All the best,
Sonja

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