Help us find the dairy goat training for the community

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Hi Everyone,

Why do we want to set up a demo farm?

trying to follow the Nabuur model, we believe that it is very important that the community is involved in every stage of the process of empowerment and development.

Some facts:

- We do not want to develop a project that is purely based on funding
- The community has some experience in farming but mostly cow dairy farming
- The idea of using dairy goats is not a new one but there is a need for more knowledge in the area in Walungu
- The community will have some funds available to invest in more livestock after the harvest in July
- The risks of a failure can be significantly reduced by learning as much as possible before any big investment is done

The idea:

We want to set up a demo farm that:

1. Will allow the community to learn by experience
2. Will allow to determine the factors of success for the implementation in all the area
3. Will help pointing out the things to look for and to avoid
4. Will allow us to start working on a breeding strategy

Further info already collected

- Local goats are cheap but not dairy specialised
- Dairy goats can be found but are more expensive
- Goat can be crossbred to start combining local ones with dairy ones and improve the breed on a more economic way
- The community wants to continue doing farming as they have done it for many generations
- They have found the idea of a demo farm very interesting and are eager to go ahead with it
- Our role is to ensure we support them as much as possible in the process.

What is needed

- We need to identify as many sources of training as possible, then approach all of them and move forward based on the results of the initial approaches

- We need to find training material to also send to Walungu

- We need to get the local volunteers involved

- We need to start working in the business plan that will be completed with more info form the demo farm

- We all need to be in the same page and ask questions if we are not clear on any point.

I look forward to continue taking this project forward and to all of your contributions.

Let's make it happen. The people of Walungu will be extremely grateful for all your support.

Let's get some discussion happening,

Raul

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Go to ATTRA and you will find much info on dairy goats. Download it free.

Ken

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id like to get involved in dis project as soon as possible

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i thank you for the support you are giving to walungu project.let's achieve for a best result.

Guillaume
LR walungu.

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Dear neighbours thank you for your contributions.

Albina welcome to Walungu. Your help is much appreciated.

I heard today from Dr. Kanani from National University in Butare, Rwanda. The minimum of the training would last 7 days and the cost would be more than 1800$. Way too expensive.
He also informed me that in Rwanda Alpine goats are available out of dairy breeds. But did not specify which exactly type of Alpine.

Everyone, let's do our best to find training for the community.
It would be best of course to find someone to go to Walungu and train the people, and if we don't manage it we could then send the volunteers to be trained and then to pass it to the community.
Besides, we should first ask for a free training, and in the case we can't find it, we could then pay some small amount for it.
Based on previous experience on nabuur, there is a good possibility to find a free training, let's search and be persistant.

So let's start searching for an organization or a project in DRC dealing with agriculture. For example, we could google with keywords like DRC dairy goats, dairy goat project, agriculture, development agriculture, agriculture research etc. and then following the links should lead us to some useful contacts.

If there are no possibilities in DRC we could then search in broader and broader areas.

I'm activating wiki document where we can produce a list of organizations we find. We are a committed team and I'm sure we will achieve very good results soon.

Please also ask, comment...
Looking forward to your contributions.

Sonja

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That sounds like a good idea.

Let's start putting together a list of organisations.

Do you want to help with that also Albina?. That would be great.

I will try to look myself probably today or tomorrow.

Take care and let's keep moving forward,

Raul

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Dear all,
I am not happy with the direction we are moving in. Our basic idea was to start with a Revolving Livestock Fund, which was fine for me. The choice we made for goats:O.K....No problem.
But this demofarm worries me. In my understanding, a demofarm means a modern farm with farmers who have a long experience in a certain field and also a lot of documentation to take away for visitors. Obviously this is impossible in Walungu. That would make us dependent from (expensive) outside experts and I don't like that.
So I would suggest to you: let us return to our core project
and start to build up the goatfarm.
The money from the harvest could be used to build stables,fences etc by well motivated inhabitants of Walungu.
Nico

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Hello Everyone,

I have a feeling that maybe we have a small misunderstanding due to the chose of terms.

A demo farm is nothing else than the first stage of a goat farm. A goat farm that is used by several people as a first stage for them to learn more but it is also the first stage of a revolving fund.

The idea is really simple, we get 3 goats, something for fencing and then we start, that is all. I am not sure why anything different might have been understood. It is only called demo because they will learn the first things they need to know about goat farming using their cow farming.

Let's talk more. And let's do not use the demo farm term any more maybe we can just call it the goat farm stage 1? Any other recommendation for a name?

The other approach is to give full ownership to only one family but I would prefer to do that after all families have been able to learn more and put more money from the harvest. Anotehr thing to clarify, we are not expecting more than 200 USD from the harvest based on what Guillaume has informed, that means probably enough for 6 more goats. DRC is the country with the lowest GDP per capita in the world. The strategy needs to take that into account and grow with small steps. The goat farm stage 1 could allow that. We are just giving then an extra hand for the first stage of the goat farm.

Raul

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Hi there,

I am very disappointed that the training offered by the University in Rwanda is so expensive. No wonder that Africa has so much troubles with its agriculture- with these prices I am not sure that even farmers in richer countries will be able to come up with the fees. However we should be able to put together a manual taking advantage of Ken's recommendations and all the free information online. May be we will need help with the translation to French, but we will cross this bridge later :)Also some training material was sent to Guillaume's address in Rwanda about two months ago- any news about it?
Now, my question is : what are the three problems that the local farmers feel that they would not be able to handle if they start with Stage One tomorrow? I am asking that because I am worried that we may not be able to find local volunteers to help and if we need to come up with recommendations/solutions we may as well start with the most urgent questions. Do you agree? Parallel to the research that Sonja suggested we can start preparing for the worst case scenario (hmm, here is my risk mitigation :-) )and schedule a deadline. In mean time Guillaume will know more about the breed and the price of the goats and once the deadline is reached- volunteers or not- we will have the printed training materials and the farmers will be ready to go. This is not the most perfect solution but it will get the project moving... Now I can hear your "BOOOO"!

Best,

Tanja

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Dear all,

It seems that we have a problem with a name „demo farm“, and I agree that we should change it into something more appropriate so that we all could be on the same page.

The concept as I see it is actually a trial or a stage 1 as Raul calls it. What we are doing is exactly revolving livestock project, and we are only want to try to get things started without getting stuck with too much paper work and to decrease costs and risks. And we are not going to depend on expensive experts whatsoever.

So if we see it works we would just make a proper business plan in which we would include the results of the starge 1 and then continue to grow. On the other hand, if we see it doesn't work we can modify it, or take a completely different direction. Thus, we wouldn’t invest a lot and everything would be funded by Raul and me, so even if we fail there will be no consequences and we can always go back to the planning.

If we have a look at the example of FONDAMU in the neighbourhood – they are doing the same on a much larger scale, but they are dependant on donations, and they have no experts to train the people, they only have some vets. Yet they are doing fine, only rather slowly. And I think their risks are much bigger than ours.

On the other hand, have a look at Kakabada in Uganda on Nabuur (http://www.nabuur.com/modules/newbb/viewforum.php?forum=409&villageid=40...) – they did such a thorough researc, the neighbours produced an excellent business plan, but there was no community involvement and all the project stopped after making a plan. I really wouldn’t like it to happen to Walungu project.

So I really see no reasons why we shouldn’t try. The biggest job is to find someone to train them for free, and even if we don’t find it finally, we can pass them some manuals so they can learn that way... But I’m sure we’ll find someone soon; if the others could we can do it as well, we’re an excellent team.

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I found this manual online:
http://www.rirdc.gov.au/reports/NAP/02-025.pdf
Does anybody have time to skim over it ( I noticed it is a bit fancy and technical) and check if we can adjust it to the needs of Walungu? I started a new project and it is a bit over my head and I am trying to funnel tones of information -long story short- I will not be able to read this manual before next Monday.

There is plenty of information on the website that Ken recommended -ATTRA- I can copy and paste in a custom made :-) manual the information that the local community deems necessary but I will need to hear what their top concerns are.
Here is a drawing that may help with selecting a healthy goat.

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Hi Tanja,

Thanks for the posting. There is no perfect solution, but there are solutions that could be very good if we try them. I don't think there should be a lot of problems to find free training; let's start searching for it.

And definitely if we don't find it, I believe there are volunteers ready to be trained. There are two guys, Roger and Olivier, with the degrees in agriculture, and hopefully they will help with this. Of course they have some limitations to internet access, but I guess that won't make many problems.

In the case of "worst scenario", we have a lot of info available from internet (anyone checked resource section - "goat keeping in tropics"?) and Guillaume is also ready to contribute to the translations, so even if the community members can't read, I guess there has to be someone who can and who's willing to pass that to the people.

I should talk this evening to Guillaume and I'll ask about manuals.

Take care,
Sonja

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The villagers have experience with dairy cows so a transition to goats will not be that complicated. I have a BS in animal husbandry and grew up on a dairy farm so I know that switching to goats is not a big deal. They stink!
Cows smell good.

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Hi Neighbors. This is Diana. I’m fairly new to the village, but have had several exchanges with Sonja about this project. I did some research over this weekend and here’s what I gathered:

I found a great manual online, which I’ve attached. It’s fairly extensive but is surprisingly simple—makes me feel like even I can keep goats. It lists important aspects of a goat pen, but only if you are stall feeding (the manual gives several reasons why stall feeding is better, but I think the main reason is that most people don’t own large plots of land).

I've read "Goat keeping in the tropics," which has some good info as well. At some point, I can help with merging all the manuals together for a Walungu-specific manual, but I think for now it might be best to focus on finding hands-on training.

As for similar programs, Farm-Africa, an NGO based in the UK, has implemented successful dairy goat programs similar to the kind we are discussing, except on a larger and more formalized scale. However, they do not seem to work in DRC, but rather in Uganda, Kenya and Tanzania. I’m not sure how much the weather, topography, availability of resources, etc. of those places differ from DRC.

I also found a similar project in Burundi: http://burundigoats.tripod.com/Tropical_Emphasis/Dairy___Cheese/dairy___...

I'll add both to the wiki document that Sonja created. Unless all of you think otherwise, I'm going to hold off on contacting them since neither are in DRC.

Diana

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Hi Diana, glad to see your first posting. Welcome on board.

Thank you for the contributions, the manual seems to be really good. I'm sure we could make a good one for the needs of Walungu. I'm attaching both this one and the one that Tanja found to the "resource" section.

I'm sure we'll manage to find training for the community. Let's try to find someone who could go there, start with the best and biggest organizations and projects towards smaller ones ... we have nothing to lose, the worst thing they can do is to refuse us.

Anyway, the second option is to send volunteers as I already said; Manu and Roger are ready to be trained. In that case, these links that Diana found would be very useful.
Here's another project that helps its beneficiaries with dairy goats training, in Uganda on the border with DRC, which shouldn't be far from Walungu.

Matiti Project-Goat milk project
http://www.whm.org/project?ID=12371
They train dairy goat keepers and provide veterinary assistance.

Take care,
Sonja

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